Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

My video's comment section became active for a while after the latest video. My video is one of the few pushing back on what is IMO a dazzling amount of BS regarding Magnacut. Were there some bad sheets of Magnacut (some sheets with a few bad spots in them, more accurately)? Yes. In their case, it looks to have affected about a couple of dozen blades out of around 4000 (a long way from the claimed 20%). Niagra freely offered a warranty on anything defective, so that is really not some major financial hit. Usually, that warranty is 2x or 3x the actual loss to offset the work that had gone into the material up until that point.

From their videos, it appears like Survives biggest loss came from the decarb issue (nothing to do with voids or the steel itself), but even in that, they left virtually no margin of error (.005" according to them) to clean up after heat treatment. Then they tossed most of those blades anyway rather than simply making them a few thousand thinner and then were trying to get a warranty claim through Peters. If I had a knife that was supposed to be .137" stock thickness but needed to be .129" because of a manufacturing glitch, I would email those customers and tell them about the change and offer a refund to those who did not find that acceptable (which would very few if any people). The point is the issue in this case is not the steel but the process.

So, the video showing bigger pictures of voids you could see with the naked eye and confirming that, yes, those are, in fact, voids is no revelation of anything. As an experienced knifemaker, I find seeing people fall for nonsense like this frustrating.
 
mikebandw186 said:
If that was the case, Peter’s would have replaced the affected inventory, just like Niagara offered to replace the Magnacut. He would have been out zero money or product.
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Guy is feeding everyone a heap of BS hoping his followers will believe him because they don't understand manufacturing procedures etc. He claims Peters annealed the blades in a atmospheric furnace instead of a vacuum furnace because it was more convenient as the vacuum furnaces are located 30min away. Wtf would they do that? Do they not use a vacuum furnace to harden the blades? I haven't used Peters as I'm located in another country however I've been making blades full time for 7+ years so know a bit about manufacturing and his BS is infuriating as a maker. He claims Peters is hiding behind the NDA and warned him about it when he threatened to release a video like he is being bullied and a victim No.... the NDA he signed was because Peters is a ITAR Certified company so all approved visitors allowed access to a ITAR facility have to sign a NDA and if you breach any of the terms the penalties are serious like years of jail time and $500k + fines. So Peters was doing him a favour reminding him of the NDA. I know this because the Heat treatment Facility I use in my country is also ITAR Certified dealing in Aerospace and defence and their manufacturing processes are strictly regulated and not to be shared. The moron also claims Peters treat him like a Aerospace customer and there equipment is nor maintained because they process orders non stop which would be more BS because in order the criteria to have a Aerospace certification is so strict and regulated all equipment and procedures are constantly audited he makes out like monkey's run the place doing the heat treatment in a frigging toaster oven from a best buys. I read in one of the comments on a YT video he posted recently he responded to someone saying the best thing about this new Heat treatment company he will be using is that they have metallurgists on site unlike Peters... WTF does he think they run a HT facility that Aerospace Certified using Wikipedia and Google to run the joint without metallurgical specialist working there. How has nobody just gone to Survives workshop and hung him from the rafters is beyond me. Maybe they have more patience than I would have.
 
Having conducted ITAR investigations on behalf of the State Dept. in years past in a former life, I can state that it's no joke if you find yourself on the wrong side of it either personally, or as a corporate entity.

(We conducted the investigations as a courtesy to the State Dept. as they didn't have in-house agents of their own who were qualified to handle certain international defense and arms related matters. One such case took me to South America, another to Europe.)
 
Blues said:
Having conducted ITAR investigations on behalf of the State Dept. in years past in a former life, I can state that it's no joke if you find yourself on the wrong side of it either personally, or as a corporate entity.

(We conducted the investigations as a courtesy to the State Dept. as they didn't have in-house agents of their own who were qualified to handle certain international defense and arms related matters. One such case took me to South America, another to Europe.)
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Yeah Peters was doing him a favour reminding him of the NDA he signed. I don't understand how they operate. Blaming everyone and anything. Problem is people who don't really have a good understanding of manufacturing procedures believe the garbage he is feeding them feeling sorry for them.
 
Kraken82 said:
Yeah Peters was doing him a favour reminding him of the NDA he signed. I don't understand how they operate. Blaming everyone and anything. Problem is people who don't really have a good understanding of manufacturing procedures believe the garbage he is feeding them feeling sorry for them.
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All we can do is provide folks with information. What they do with it is up to them. Unfortunately, many folks on the web won't know what many here already know.

What bothers me more than anything else is seeing honorable folks who have worked hard to create respected businesses and reputations dragged through the mud by someone who has done neither.
 
Blues said:
All we can do is provide folks with information. What they do with it is up to them. Unfortunately, many folks on the web won't know what many here already know.

What bothers me more than anything else is seeing honorable folks who have worked hard to create respected businesses and reputations dragged through the mud by someone who has done neither.
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1000% agreed with you on that
 
gscreely said:
My video's comment section became active for a while after the latest video. My video is one of the few pushing back on what is IMO a dazzling amount of BS regarding Magnacut. Were there some bad sheets of Magnacut (some sheets with a few bad spots in them, more accurately)? Yes. In their case, it looks to have affected about a couple of dozen blades out of around 4000 (a long way from the claimed 20%). Niagra freely offered a warranty on anything defective, so that is really not some major financial hit. Usually, that warranty is 2x or 3x the actual loss to offset the work that had gone into the material up until that point.

From their videos, it appears like Survives biggest loss came from the decarb issue (nothing to do with voids or the steel itself), but even in that, they left virtually no margin of error (.005" according to them) to clean up after heat treatment. Then they tossed most of those blades anyway rather than simply making them a few thousand thinner and then were trying to get a warranty claim through Peters. If I had a knife that was supposed to be .137" stock thickness but needed to be .129" because of a manufacturing glitch, I would email those customers and tell them about the change and offer a refund to those who did not find that acceptable (which would very few if any people). The point is the issue in this case is not the steel but the process.

So, the video showing bigger pictures of voids you could see with the naked eye and confirming that, yes, those are, in fact, voids is no revelation of anything. As an experienced knifemaker, I find seeing people fall for nonsense like this frustrating.
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Thanks so much for repeatedly weighing in on this. It’s good to have the professional expertise weighing in here.

It also drives me nuts to see people falling for it.
 
Thanks for the great comments. I am not a knife maker, and it is great to confirmation that Guy is full of shit form people that are in the industry.
gscreely said:
My video's comment section became active for a while after the latest video. My video is one of the few pushing back on what is IMO a dazzling amount of BS regarding Magnacut. Were there some bad sheets of Magnacut (some sheets with a few bad spots in them, more accurately)? Yes. In their case, it looks to have affected about a couple of dozen blades out of around 4000 (a long way from the claimed 20%). Niagra freely offered a warranty on anything defective, so that is really not some major financial hit. Usually, that warranty is 2x or 3x the actual loss to offset the work that had gone into the material up until that point.

From their videos, it appears like Survives biggest loss came from the decarb issue (nothing to do with voids or the steel itself), but even in that, they left virtually no margin of error (.005" according to them) to clean up after heat treatment. Then they tossed most of those blades anyway rather than simply making them a few thousand thinner and then were trying to get a warranty claim through Peters. If I had a knife that was supposed to be .137" stock thickness but needed to be .129" because of a manufacturing glitch, I would email those customers and tell them about the change and offer a refund to those who did not find that acceptable (which would very few if any people). The point is the issue in this case is not the steel but the process.

So, the video showing bigger pictures of voids you could see with the naked eye and confirming that, yes, those are, in fact, voids is no revelation of anything. As an experienced knifemaker, I find seeing people fall for nonsense like this frustrating.
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Kraken82 said:
Guy is feeding everyone a heap of BS hoping his followers will believe him because they don't understand manufacturing procedures etc. He claims Peters annealed the blades in a atmospheric furnace instead of a vacuum furnace because it was more convenient as the vacuum furnaces are located 30min away. Wtf would they do that? Do they not use a vacuum furnace to harden the blades? I haven't used Peters as I'm located in another country however I've been making blades full time for 7+ years so know a bit about manufacturing and his BS is infuriating as a maker. He claims Peters is hiding behind the NDA and warned him about it when he threatened to release a video like he is being bullied and a victim No.... the NDA he signed was because Peters is a ITAR Certified company so all approved visitors allowed access to a ITAR facility have to sign a NDA and if you breach any of the terms the penalties are serious like years of jail time and $500k + fines. So Peters was doing him a favour reminding him of the NDA. I know this because the Heat treatment Facility I use in my country is also ITAR Certified dealing in Aerospace and defence and their manufacturing processes are strictly regulated and not to be shared. The moron also claims Peters treat him like a Aerospace customer and there equipment is nor maintained because they process orders non stop which would be more BS because in order the criteria to have a Aerospace certification is so strict and regulated all equipment and procedures are constantly audited he makes out like monkey's run the place doing the heat treatment in a frigging toaster oven from a best buys. I read in one of the comments on a YT video he posted recently he responded to someone saying the best thing about this new Heat treatment company he will be using is that they have metallurgists on site unlike Peters... WTF does he think they run a HT facility that Aerospace Certified using Wikipedia and Google to run the joint without metallurgical specialist working there. How has nobody just gone to Survives workshop and hung him from the rafters is beyond me. Maybe they have more patience than I would have.
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Looks like Survive has updated their production schedule page, claiming that their decarburization issues affected 900 knives and talking about how hiring one new person has turned the company around. They claim GSO 10 and 12s are being produced and shipping in regular batches which will clear up the open orders from 2015-2019. They later claim the pie chart shows that a vast majority of open orders are from the past year, while the pie chart shows they have more open orders from 2022 than 2023.
 
Ilikesharpstuff said:
Looks like Survive has updated their production schedule page, claiming that their decarburization issues affected 900 knives and talking about how hiring one new person has turned the company around. They claim GSO 10 and 12s are being produced and shipping in regular batches which will clear up the open orders from 2015-2019. They later claim the pie chart shows that a vast majority of open orders are from the past year, while the pie chart shows they have more open orders from 2022 than 2023.
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Where are you seeing updated numbers? The Production Schedule page still shows February 2024 as the last update.
 
toker said:
Where are you seeing updated numbers? The Production Schedule page still shows February 2024 as the last update.
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I could have sworn at some point during the Niagara/Crucible witch hunt that they removed the production schedule from the website completely. I was mostly pointing out that there is some verbiage added about the steel debacle and a new employee and how things are going to be fixed any day now. I didn't even notice that the numbers were still from February, but it's odd that with all the completing and shipping they're doing that they haven't updated the charts to pat themselves on the back....almost as if it might just be all talk 🤔
 

Production Schedule

surviveknives.com surviveknives.com

S!ks "schedule" is a word salad of excuses and "weasel words".

I'll summarize:
S!K cannot tell you when you will get your knife because (reasons). It is not because S!K is incompetent liars. Really. It is not S!Ks fault.
 
The weasel words and back pedaling has begun again, apparently "In Stock" does not really mean "In Stock."

"Knives that are "In Stock" are typically ready to ship within 15 business days."

In Stock

surviveknives.com surviveknives.com
 
jeffbird said:
The weasel words and back pedaling has begun again, apparently "In Stock" does not really mean "In Stock."

"Knives that are "In Stock" are typically ready to ship within 15 business days."

In Stock

surviveknives.com surviveknives.com
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I saw that that. “15 days“ is often used interchangeably with “ships immediately.” And neither phrase means you’ll get the knife you purchased anytime soon.
 
Look, they have mostly caught up, some knives still haven't shipped from 2015 but it's because they are waiting on materials, and their shop burned down, and peters, and magnacut, and George Washington. They are human, but at least they are trying. If you guys just buy a few more ugly betties people from 9 years ago might get their knife. So really it's your fault... yea. It's your fault people haven't gotten their knives.
 
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