Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Kraken Tactical Edc said:
It's interesting you say you bought all the equipment got his dog and starting this new knife company in a building you purchased blah blah blah... money you paid was used to pay off Survives debts and equipment he previously sold that he owed money on still but judging by the photos looks like you have everything they every owned.

Also you say you don't know where Guy is and you did purchase any of the existing stock like knives, blanks, sheath etc that according to HeavyFat tactical were in the thousands. But you are going to be making knives similar to survives. Hmmmmmm

Everyone claims Guy is broke and vanished HeavySet fat boy also claimed in his BS exit videos that Ellie has left Guy and she didn't know what was going on and nothing was in her name.

Guy never claimed bankruptcy he says he signed some voluntary compliance order and self liquidated everything. Funny thing is can't find any record of a voluntary compliance order. If he had claimed bankruptcy the government pen pushers would probably have dug deeper and all the lies would be found out.

View attachment 2759875So ill start with what I've dug up so as for Ellie not owning anything and being a victim like everyone else according to FatVape Tactical that is BS. These holding LLC have been used to purchase old big historic properties around Kellogg one of them being the McConnell Hotel that was purchased by Seiferd holdings that burnt down in 2017 that vacant block in prime location is still owned by them its never been sold.
www.spokesman.com

In wake of McConnell Hotel fire, a town’s memories stir in the ashes

Many Kellogg residents Thursday struggled to wrap their heads around how the McConnell Hotel, a staple of Kellogg’s uptown, could have gone up in a blaze of heat so high and intense that before the hours-long ordeal was over Tuesday, five other buildings would sustain significant damage.
www.spokesman.com www.spokesman.com

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So according to this that someone posted they also purchased old lincoln school and mall building that they are remodelling to be a new workshop and facilities. That would explain where all the money was going.

This is why Guy and Ellie never claimed bankruptcy so he could make up this big story pretend to vanish have multiple people who have come out of nowhere corroborated the store and get away with the fraud.

Where i live its called Phoenixing
"Phoenixing is the illegal practice of liquidating a company to avoid paying its debts and then starting a new company to continue the business. The new company may use the same assets, employees, and contact details as the old company."
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Based on what I find from a few minutes of searching on the internet, this post is accurate. Guy and Ellie ran a con for years and got away with it.
 
MicronKnives said:
We truly believe that Guy's ultimate goal was to produce the knives that were ordered. We came across zero indications that he was intentionally scamming people. We also came across zero evidence or indications that he had made out with the money from the preorders.
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I don't check this thread much any more so this has likely already been addressed, but it really is an absurd set of claims.

Guy having a goal of producing the knives people ordered and his running a scam are not mutually exclusive. There is an absolute mountain of evidence he repeatedly lied about where knives were in the production queue and when they would make it to customers who'd paid him in full based on a promised lead time of months.. When people got tired of those lies after years of waiting and asked for refunds he ignored them. His own wife admitted these things and more. Maybe he genuinely did think he would make them all one day but that doesn't change anything it just means he was delusional.

And I don't know what you mean by "made out", but Guy spent all that preorder money some while ago so he had none left to finance an extended beach vacation or the like. It running out was a big part of why he finally had to close. He effectively had been "making out" on that money for the last several years and when it got low he drew up some new knives and started taking preorders for those.

If you don't think that constitutes a scam I feel bad for you.
 
Citori said:
I don't check this thread much any more so this has likely already been addressed, but it really is an absurd set of claims.

Guy having a goal of producing the knives people ordered and his running a scam are not mutually exclusive. There is an absolute mountain of evidence he repeatedly lied about where knives were in the production queue and when they would make it to customers who'd paid him in full based on a promised lead time of months.. When people got tired of those lies after years of waiting and asked for refunds he ignored them. His own wife admitted these things and more. Maybe he genuinely did think he would make them all one day but that doesn't change anything it just means he was delusional.

And I don't know what you mean by "made out", but Guy spent all that preorder money some while ago so he had none left to finance an extended beach vacation or the like. It running out was a big part of why he finally had to close. He effectively had been "making out" on that money for the last several years and when it got low he drew up some new knives and started taking preorders for those.

If you don't think that constitutes a scam I feel bad for you.
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Citori said:
Maybe he genuinely did think he would make them all one day but that doesn't change anything it just means he was delusional.
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This is where I'm coming from

I'm not going to claim he wasn't a scam, I just didn't come across evidence or indications of it

Edit: evidence beyond what is in this thread obviously
 
MicronKnives said:
This is where I'm coming from

I'm not going to claim he wasn't a scam, I just didn't come across evidence or indications of it

Edit: evidence beyond what is in this thread obviously
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When Survive started, they were initially above board, their timing was really good, they made a good product, and they were able to deliver their first few batches of knives, if not a little bit late. As time progressed, Guy became selectively obsessive about certain (mostly meaningless) details of the vendor they were using for grinding. This would be the first of many bridges that they burnt in the industry and a pattern of excuses for undelivered products (almost all coming from selective obsessing over meaningless details). I can see a resistance in calling it a scam because survive actually had most of the steel and blanks for all the knives that were ordered, that would be really silly to do if your initial intention was to in fact never deliver those knives. As time progressed, Survive! got deeper and deeper into the hole. They began accepting preorders for blades that there was no realistic chance that they were going to deliver, and even on blades that they did finish, they sold them to brick-and-mortar stores for cash when those finished blades were preorders paid for by customers years earlier. It is crazy to think of the thousands of blade blanks cut out of high-quality steel that are now basically stolen property. By the end it was certainly within the definition of scam to describe survives business model, if not a Ponzi scheme.

In many of the videos, you would see processes or details of manufacturing that were presented as revolutionary or groundbreaking but were in fact pretty standard procedures for how a lot of companies make knives. One classic example of this that I find especially hilarious is that Guy would continue to talk about "compressive peening." Nobody knew what he was talking about, was he using metal shot, and it was just sort of something he sold as this special process they did. What this was was simply bead blasting, something just about everybody knows about; he didn't want to use that term because he thought that was a special Survive! secret.

This entire story of Survive is probably the biggest fraud ever committed in the knife community. I cannot think of any other knife maker or manufacturer who has genuinely taken over $1,000,000 from thousands of knife buyers. I would really like to make a documentary video about the whole thing (I have a healthy amount of inside information) because It is a roller coaster ride and a tragedy of errors to a scale that the knife community has not experienced before and hopefully won't experience again.
 
I looked in the dictionary and there's a picture of Guy and Ellie in the "fake it till you make it" entry.
 
gscreely said:
When Survive started, they were initially above board, their timing was really good, they made a good product, and they were able to deliver their first few batches of knives, if not a little bit late. As time progressed, Guy became selectively obsessive about certain (mostly meaningless) details of the vendor they were using for grinding. This would be the first of many bridges that they burnt in the industry and a pattern of excuses for undelivered products (almost all coming from selective obsessing over meaningless details). I can see a resistance in calling it a scam because survive actually had most of the steel and blanks for all the knives that were ordered, that would be really silly to do if your initial intention was to in fact never deliver those knives. As time progressed, Survive! got deeper and deeper into the hole. They began accepting preorders for blades that there was no realistic chance that they were going to deliver, and even on blades that they did finish, they sold them to brick-and-mortar stores for cash when those finished blades were preorders paid for by customers years earlier. It is crazy to think of the thousands of blade blanks cut out of high-quality steel that are now basically stolen property. By the end it was certainly within the definition of scam to describe survives business model, if not a Ponzi scheme.

In many of the videos, you would see processes or details of manufacturing that were presented as revolutionary or groundbreaking but were in fact pretty standard procedures for how a lot of companies make knives. One classic example of this that I find especially hilarious is that Guy would continue to talk about "compressive peening." Nobody knew what he was talking about, was he using metal shot, and it was just sort of something he sold as this special process they did. What this was was simply bead blasting, something just about everybody knows about; he didn't want to use that term because he thought that was a special Survive! secret.

This entire story of Survive is probably the biggest fraud ever committed in the knife community. I cannot think of any other knife maker or manufacturer who has genuinely taken over $1,000,000 from thousands of knife buyers. I would really like to make a documentary video about the whole thing (I have a healthy amount of inside information) because It is a roller coaster ride and a tragedy of errors to a scale that the knife community has not experienced before and hopefully won't experience again.
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I'd love to hear the inside info you have.
 
gscreely said:
When Survive started, they were initially above board, their timing was really good, they made a good product, and they were able to deliver their first few batches of knives, if not a little bit late. As time progressed, Guy became selectively obsessive about certain (mostly meaningless) details of the vendor they were using for grinding. This would be the first of many bridges that they burnt in the industry and a pattern of excuses for undelivered products (almost all coming from selective obsessing over meaningless details). I can see a resistance in calling it a scam because survive actually had most of the steel and blanks for all the knives that were ordered, that would be really silly to do if your initial intention was to in fact never deliver those knives. As time progressed, Survive! got deeper and deeper into the hole. They began accepting preorders for blades that there was no realistic chance that they were going to deliver, and even on blades that they did finish, they sold them to brick-and-mortar stores for cash when those finished blades were preorders paid for by customers years earlier. It is crazy to think of the thousands of blade blanks cut out of high-quality steel that are now basically stolen property. By the end it was certainly within the definition of scam to describe survives business model, if not a Ponzi scheme.

In many of the videos, you would see processes or details of manufacturing that were presented as revolutionary or groundbreaking but were in fact pretty standard procedures for how a lot of companies make knives. One classic example of this that I find especially hilarious is that Guy would continue to talk about "compressive peening." Nobody knew what he was talking about, was he using metal shot, and it was just sort of something he sold as this special process they did. What this was was simply bead blasting, something just about everybody knows about; he didn't want to use that term because he thought that was a special Survive! secret.

This entire story of Survive is probably the biggest fraud ever committed in the knife community. I cannot think of any other knife maker or manufacturer who has genuinely taken over $1,000,000 from thousands of knife buyers. I would really like to make a documentary video about the whole thing (I have a healthy amount of inside information) because It is a roller coaster ride and a tragedy of errors to a scale that the knife community has not experienced before and hopefully won't experience again.
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First of all I would absolutely volunteer any info or do an interview about my encounter for a documentary. Secondly, I remember his "compressive peening" and I think that refers to a poor example of flattening the blades before grinding. I don't quite understand why he did it as there are plenty other ways to go about it, along with not at all compressing anything. As someone pointed out earlier there was no attention paid to the grain direction of the sheets, so the "compressive peening" couldn't have been about structure alignment as you'd see in forged metals (or rolled/powdered metals like he was using). I do have his blast cabinets and can confirm that there is no media that could have shot blasted the knifes in any form of a hardening context. One is an aluminum oxide, one is a silicon carbide of some variation, and another is a mix. Maybe a more experienced metallurgist can chime in, but peening in an attempt to work harden these knife steels seems insane. If not I'd love to learn more about that. Watching his videos it seems like he was very good at talking without really saying much.

I don't disagree about calling it a scam or fraud or ponzi scheme. If there is any info that you need from me to substantiate claims I can absolutely attest to what I saw.
 
Cause everyone seems out for blood?

I don’t know what to think yet. I’ve seen good points on both sides.
 
Crag the Brewer said:
SPOOKY.....
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"It's not the odds...it's the stakes."
 
Now spooky scary skeletons is ringing in my head, reminding me that sometimes things are catchy though they’re dead.
 
Is there any chance for us who are owed a knife to get anything back? My order was the last time I could afford to purchase a nice knife, as I no longer have any more knife funds since then due my unemployment. I sent Guy $300 and he strung me along for a long time. Don't those who ordered and paid for have liens too over the blanks?
 
spyken said:
Is there any chance for us who are owed a knife to get anything back? My order was the last time I could afford to purchase a nice knife, as I no longer have any more knife funds since then due my unemployment. I sent Guy $300 and he strung me along for a long time. Don't those who ordered and paid for have liens too over the blanks?
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You’re out of luck. This is precisely why everyone here was so loud about S!K. We knew how this would end.
 
I placed an order for a knife and waited almost three years and it never came even though I was told three times it was almost done and would ship.
I got lucky and got fed up and asked for a refund which they sent me almost immediately. Can’t believe this is still going on with customers.
 
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