Bad Survival Advice Makes Me Wonder...

My wife and I cut trees. We use chain saws and brush cutters. The jobs we
get and do are where the tree sheers can not go. Ie hill sides, banks, draws, ditches thoses type of places. Silpping and sliding is the norm and carrying a fixed flade is no problem at all. Some are really steep places to cut trees on.
I carry TWO fixed baldes now :D one has a 4" blade and one has a 6.5" blade
and have yet to have a problem. I carry them some times in the cross draw and they still are not a problem if you if you slip or even tumble ( I have done it. It comes with the job. )
Take care all,
Bryan
 
I'm not a skiier, but I've seen plenty of folks "wipe out" and tumble down the hill while skiing....seems like a bad idea to have a fixed-blade hanging on your belt.

The skiing I mention is Nordic (or Cross Country) and not Alpine (or Down Hill.

I've been carrying a fixed blade on my belt at work for close to 15 years now, probably 4-6 months a year that work is on snow shoes, I've had some pretty wicked tumbles over the years and having a fixed blade on my belt has never been a safety concern.
 
The skiing I mention is Nordic (or Cross Country) and not Alpine (or Down Hill.

I've been carrying a fixed blade on my belt at work for close to 15 years now, probably 4-6 months a year that work is on snow shoes, I've had some pretty wicked tumbles over the years and having a fixed blade on my belt has never been a safety concern.

Good to hear it.
I hope I did not jinx you.:o
 
Maybe North Americans and people from Finland take to the woods for different reasons....
I have noticed that most of my fellow countrymen tend to go in to the wilderness for only a few reasons:
Short day hikes, "off-roading" (Jeeps, ATV's, and dirt-bikes), hunting, fishing, mountain-climbing, and camping.

Short day hikes: I really can't see anyone lugging a stout fixed-blade with them for just a day of hiking trails.
Even a strong folder is probably overkill.

Off-roading: Most folks (at least the experienced ones) will have tools and such in the vehicle, but a multi-tool is certainly very handy....much more so than a fixed-blade.

Hunting: You really don't need a multi-tool, but one can come in handy for making adjustments to your gear (rifle, scope, stand, blind, etc...).

Fishing: A multi-tool is a very handy thing to have around for reels and other fishing gear.
But I will admit that a fixed fillet knife is nice if you intend to eat the fish out in the field.

Mountain-climbing: I'm not a mountain-climber, but I have noticed that very few climbers carry fixed-blade.
Maybe they already have too much gear to carry?

Camping: Again, a multi-tool is handy to have around the campsite.
It's good for fixing things and modifying other items that you might find (camp stoves, solar showers, air mattress pump, etc....).

Even our pioneer forefathers almost always carried more tools than just a fixed-blade.
Fixed-blades are fun, and every knife nut should have at least one.
But in my opinion, most folks would be better served with a good multi-tool.

Yeah, I think that may have something to do with it. Hikes that last more than one day are surprisingly (to most non-Scandinavians) common here and a popular hobby.

I can agree that most folks would be better served with a multitool, BUT only in urban environs, car camping, or similar situations that can hardly turn "survival" in the outdoor sense. For longer than a day in the woods, especially for survival situations, anyone would be better off with a fixed blade than a multitool, in my view.

For short day hikes, most people here bring a fixed blade to use around any possible campfire they may set up to stop and enjoy the views for a longer while. One could do without any knife, and certainly well with a multitool. Although I don't see how a fixed blade would be too hard to carry for a day hike - after all, it's only a day, and they don't weigh that much. :D

For off-roading, yeah, I would bring a multitool, and on top of that a whole box of tools for any repair work. That's not really what people around here think of when they speak about being outdoors - that's just driving around.

For hunting, a fixed blade is far superior to any other knife. First of all, it's easiest to clean - multitools are absolute hell to clean of blood and guts and animal hair, compared to a simple fixed blade. And since it's a lot stronger and won't fold on the fingers even when abused, it's easier to "shortcut" through joints and bone if you feel like it. I've never seen a hunter use anything but a fixed blade here, and that's for a reason. :) A multitool might be handy to bring along, though, for the reasons you listed. The same I find true for fishing - multitools get so dirty trying to fillet a trout that it's not even funny.

For mountain-climbing, I think this really shows the cultural difference between Scandinavia and North America. The few mountain climbers that I actually know (that actually climb mountains and not the sub 1000 meter stuff we have here in Finland :D ), all use only fixed blades. I have heard of one using a folder in hearsay, though - a mountain climber I personally know told me that this guy's folder had frozen solid while climbing because of moist snow getting inside the knife and freezing. The folder wouldn't open until they were able to set up a fire and warm it just to see if that could work - the others luckily had fixed blades, so they weren't in any real danger of not having knives. But that's just one reason why I'd carry a fixed blade when climbing. They do make them very light and small, too, and they would still be more reliable than similarly sized folders, not to mention that they won't freeze shut or won't fail to open because you can't use the thumbhole with heavy gloves. :)

For camping, I can't think of anything a multitool would be needed for, but one could find it handy if they had a lot of gear with them to fix. A fixed blade for food prep and perhaps working on firewood would be better, though, if one just had to have one. But do guys over there really bring stuff like stoves and solar showers when they go camping? :eek: That's something I've never even heard of anyone doing here, except with very large groups for extended stay, like in military ops or week-long scout camps (and even they don't bring solar showers or stuff like that!). :O There really seems to be an enormous cultural difference with respect to these things. Over here, one of the very points of going outdoors to hike and camp is to not have all the gear and luxuries of urban life. What's the point of going camping if one's going to bring a television, a stove and a solar shower? :foot:

But I certainly agree that it's always wise to bring more than just one tool. I just think that one of those tools should almost always be a fixed blade. That was certainly how it was for our forefathers. Myself, I would be able to live outdoors with a good fixed blade and a good axe. That's two tools I could use to make everything else I might need to live. Would be fun to have more tools, though, at the very least saws and hammers.

I'm not a skiier, but I've seen plenty of folks "wipe out" and tumble down the hill while skiing....seems like a bad idea to have a fixed-blade hanging on your belt.

You should try it sometime, it's a lot of fun, and a hell of a lot faster than stomping around in snowshoes, unless the snow just gives under you like a swamp. Then, it sucks even more than walking. :D

The fixed blade on the belt while skiing isn't a real risk, really. I don't think anyone in Scandinavia has ever died or even seriously injured themselves with their own fixed blade by falling while skiing. But, if I was going downhill skiing just for maximum speed, I would pack the fixed blade (as well as any folder) somewhere where it's properly padded like with everything else that's hard - because otherwise, falling on it is going to hurt, and a lot.
 
I've been reading over this thread, and I'd like to point out something... not every fixed blade has to be super-heavy to be reasonably stout. For example, I have a Bark River Northstar... it's not a Battle Mistress, but it is a 4.5" x .170" chunk of A2 steel. It's plenty stout enough for batoning, and I would have no concerns over using the hell out of it. It also weighs 4.5 ounces. Now, compare that to the Buck 110 I've seen mentioned a few times in this thread, which weighs in at 7.2 oz. Granted, the sheath for the Northstar is going to weigh a few ounces, but I'll be it's a comparable weight overall. Not every "stout" fixed blade is going to be a huge weight increase over a stout folder.
 
ELEN: you would'nt believe what some of the city slickers here lug around on their "hiking" trips.
some examples:

- expresso makers
- foldable camp chairs
- enough nesting cooking pots for a party of 20
- every kitchen doodad from Mountain equipment Walmart (i mean Co-Op)
- cell phones, Ipods, laptops
-

etc etc tec etc etc
 
allanC, the thing about day hikes is that they can turn into unplanned overnight or longer survival situations. My guess is that more survival situations come up from dayhikers than any other group. The reason they can be more dire is because so many dayhikers wander off thinking they'll be back in a couple hours (IE, the recent Xmas story of the father and kids going to cut a tree in the Sierra) and are ill-equipped.

For the past 15 years, I've rarely been without a fixed blade knife. Foolishly or not though, they ride in the pack, not my belt. Another more often used folder will be in my pocket.
 
ELEN: you would'nt believe what some of the city slickers here lug around on their "hiking" trips.
some examples:

- expresso makers
- foldable camp chairs
- enough nesting cooking pots for a party of 20
- every kitchen doodad from Mountain equipment Walmart (i mean Co-Op)
- cell phones, Ipods, laptops

Expresso makers? Expresso makers!? :eek:

I mean, a cell phone I can understand, if it's for emergency communications, but an expresso maker? :rolleyes:
 
allanC, the thing about day hikes is that they can turn into unplanned overnight or longer survival situations. My guess is that more survival situations come up from dayhikers than any other group. The reason they can be more dire is because so many dayhikers wander off thinking they'll be back in a couple hours (IE, the recent Xmas story of the father and kids going to cut a tree in the Sierra) and are ill-equipped.
Yup. :thumbup: ("We were only going to hike for a couple of hours. We got ready to go back and then it started raining.")

For the past 15 years, I've rarely been without a fixed blade knife. Foolishly or not though, they ride in the pack, not my belt. Another more often used folder will be in my pocket.
Those waist belts do get in the way of carrying tools on your belt.
 

:eek: Well, I guess I can understand why people like that would feel that a folding knife is overkill, or all they need to bring. After all, for any larger work, they will have brought a chain saw, or more likely just whatever they were going to build in one, ready piece, even if it weighs a metric hellton. :D Or if that's not the case, then the problem is not having any space left for a fixed blade what with all the expresso machines and camp stoves filling the backpacks, the trunks and the trailer! :D
 
Expresso makers? Expresso makers!? :eek:

I mean, a cell phone I can understand, if it's for emergency communications, but an expresso maker? :rolleyes:

Yup, Little mini ones. I just have a coffee filter that fits the top of a Nalgene.
 

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Yup, Little mini ones. I just have a coffee filter that fits the top of a Nalgene.

Yeah, now that is just not me. But hey, people are different. You guys drink expresso in your camps from ceramic mugs, I sip fresh water off a handmade wooden cup. I'm not sure which one is weirder - after all, this is the 21st century and all, and maybe wooden cups are a little 1940s. :D
 
I love espresso and have a machine at home. Never had one on the trail though!
 
Cowboy coffee over a fire kicks every caffeine drinks ass and always will.

Skam

Maybe for you but many people who know coffee might not agree. I know I don't. I prefer fresh brewed coffee, one cup at a time. Easy to do on the trail if you bring a few paper filters, some ground coffee in a baggie, and a plastic filter holder (weighs maybe an ounce). Store the filters and coffee in the holder.
 
yep, mountain men keep grounds in their teeth for when they need a pick me up later,
That's why saks, the ultimate mountain man knife, have toothpicks.:D
I just strain it with an old piece of cotten t-shirt over the cup.
I usually bring instant coffee though.
 
Maybe for you but many people who know coffee might not agree. I know I don't. I prefer fresh brewed coffee, one cup at a time. Easy to do on the trail if you bring a few paper filters, some ground coffee in a baggie, and a plastic filter holder (weighs maybe an ounce). Store the filters and coffee in the holder.

Learners coffee, you will loose the training wheels someday.;):D
Cowboy coffee can be fresh too.

Skam
 
Sorry, boiling grounds in water ain't for me; I'm a civilized woodsman. ;)
 
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