Kya............... An review

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wolfmann601 said:
I thought Rick was very QC orientated, he is not??
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He is.:thumbup:

Flaws as stated by the OP. My brother has an xm-18 he bought NIB with a blade grind similar to the knife pictured. Don't get me wrong. I love my xm it not perfect by any means, it aint no Warenski.
Its a hard use tool not a piece of eye candy. That's my 2
 
jeepdud3 said:
well well, it has been this way from square 1, KYA and i have been trying to work things out for maybe 1 hour, via PM the way i first attempted to resolve this problem, and he did not want to let you guys know that we were in the process, he loves the sympathy i said a page or 2 ago that since it was no longer in my hands(better left to a professional) and since i was being buried in fairy tales i was out, but you all want to respond on half truths, pat the little boy on the head, forget the wrong he did, so if your eminence feels the need to boot me, dont let me slow you down
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1. YOU started this thread against HIM. He hadn't complained publicly about you prior to that.

2. HE offered a refund.

3. YOU ignored the offer and sent the knife somewhere else.

4. As far as I can tell at this point, you have had PayPal holding up his money and Rick Hinderer holding his knife.

5. Smart remarks will not win you the sympathy of this website's moderator staff.

Straighten up and fly right, or we will certainly "feel the need to boot" you.
 
kya said:
So jeepdud3, when will that Paypal claim get canceled? I held up my end of the agreement by posting our agreement here.
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kya -- Paypal customer service has a toll free number.
call it, speak with a CSR, present your side of the story, and offer to provide them with the URL of this thread and any emails between you and jeepdud3.
Unless it's an eBay auction, all PayPal wants to do is confirm that the item was received by the buyer -- as he has already admitted receipt, and you have offered a refund, once all this is presented it is likely they will release your funds within 10 days of the dispute being filed. sometimes the resolution can be had within 48 hours.
best of luck.
 
That is exactly how my Hinderer came to me, you will not always have a perfect, scratch free stonewash finish on a blade. Just glad I never had to deal with ya Jeep.
 
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Esav Benyamin said:


SNIP.......

Straighten up and fly right, or we will certainly "feel the need to boot" you.
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I couldn't agree more. Why would you send the knife to someone else if you wanted a refund. He offered it and has done as you have commanded him to and you still have the funds and knife to a third party. I don't have a soul on ignore list but you have just jumped aboard. Your number 1. YEA :rolleyes: :eek: :thumbdn:
 
What a mess. I have to agree with others that I really don't see any issues from the photographs. While I realize that photos don't always show the imperfections, it really helps your case if they show up, and if they are that slight, I have to wonder what the fuss is about. Just my 2 cents...

- Mark
 
Some folks really need to research a knife before they buy it, or even get the idea that they want to own it:
Look at lots of pictures
Read lots of reviews
Watch lots of YouTube videos
Search on the forums for posts about potential issues
Start a thread if one cannot be found regarding pros and cons

I've owned a total of 3 XM18s, all 3 of them had the discolorations between the jimping on the flipper, in the pivot screw slot, and a little tiny bit handle serrations/jimping. Not a problem for me as they pretty much all come that way. I like that personally. Keep in mind, these as well as most other knives are built in machine shops, not in CDC Clean Rooms. Yes, you will see some "build up". Also, Hinderers are know for being hard use knives, not their "beautiful edges". Come on man...

One other thing, it is imperative to make absolutely sure that the "NIB" thing isn't thrown around so causally. If you've put a knife in your pocket and carried it, opened mail, cut some cardboard, it sure as hell isn't NIB any more. That is "LNIB/Light use". If people keep stretching the truth about the condition of their items, they won't be selling or buying much of anything around here.
 
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Since the knife is with Hinderer can we ask them to ship the knife back to Kya? That is about the only fair thing that can happen now lest he end up out of pocket for the money and without the knife that was sold.
 
I find it hilarious how the OP of one of these threads usually ends up getting flamed in the end.

"A fish wouldn't get in trouble if he kept his mouth shut."
 
I don't think you should have created a "poop on Kya" thread before you formally asked for a refund and he denied it through the good Personal Message system or through emails.

I think this issue could have been solved privately without trying to bash Kya's reputation.

My .02.
 
Kiah said:
Sorry, but from your posts here I just wouldn't wanna deal with you.

The deal in play at the moment completely ignores the whole "deal is not done till everybody's happy" rule. You refused a refund, shipped the knife out without consultation, made arrangements to have it refurbished (for what I still don't get), and told the seller that he was gonna agree to all this or he was gonna have his funds held until you decided otherwise.

Hope everything works out for both parties, but I don't see kya's commitment here extending beyond the simple refund that was offered. As soon as you shipped the knife to a third party without his input, the deal shoulda been done.
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I could not agree more!

It seams KYA is getting the shaft here. The knife looks okay to me, however he has no knife, no money, and no clue what to do next. Good luck to you KYA.
 
well now that everything and everyone has settled down, and everyone has a chance to put their 2 cents in i will make my last entry on this thread. to begin KYA and i began by PM's, i already posted the opening pm's and a couple of his responses thereafter, in my last pm before i began this thread i told him that the transaction needed to be made right and that if his response continued to be either plaza cutlery or hinderer's problem i would make the situation known " he would become famous, or better said infamous" and that i would contact all person necessary, at that point he did not respond, he just waited, after maybe 1/2 hour i started the thread, as i thought he was waiting, just to see if i would follow through with my threat, i dont make threats, i am a business man. as the thread began i still tried pm's, and in my pm's i made mention that i had made contact with mr. hinderer, and that since everything was based on opinion, i would send him the blade for professional intercession, his stance on money was no! but to the viewing audience he spoke of offers to pay, and continued, endlessly, once i saw that their were so many uninformed opinions, i just backed away for a while i even spoke of having to leave, a few sound minds actually read the rules, well so do i, section 2 the entire section is about this thread, and even more important, section 6, the first sentence "if there are conflicting rules the more stringent shall apply" yet JKA thinks he can set his own separate rules, tailor made to fit his needs, than some dork wants to ask the members to change the rules to allow this? funny pay pal has similar rules, and no, the forum can not ask rick to take the blade and do your bidding, that would fall under the illegal category! why dont people think? anyway on page 3 someone suggest that it was over and we lock the thread, i seconded that, at that time JKA and i were trying to come to terms through pm's, as we spoke he continued to misrepresent his (our) conversation, i told him he needed to stop that he was only hurting the process, yet he did not, it is hard to talk transaction when the person is posting right in front of you and betraying any words he said in pm's. as we spoke i began to receive "criticism" which only made me laugh because the critics were attempting to assist a person who playing them, he had the violin and they were on the string, especially the guy who started with the word 'BUD" he's so awesome, i think his name is cliche? anyway he is advising me to read the rules when he is not aware himself, nor does he know what is actually going on, he made me smile:) all of the suggestions that were made were made a day late, pay pal already had the link as do other people, you see the only thing i asked for was equity, from the beginning all i received was deceit, and KYA gotta give you credit, you are pretty good. you got em where you want em yeah buddy. so in short, if i am indeed at fault with my behavior or with the way you perceive my proactive actions, than by all means boot me, that will not change the fact that rules have been violated both here, on pay pal, and in general how we conduct our lives. as i said, i told KYA that all further conversation between the 2 of us would be off forum, there has been to much dust stirred here, plus i want to be able to document every word, i told him that early on, when you guys were still on page 3, he agreed but will not comply, so from this point out, any comments he makes are against our agreement. by the way he has not sent 1 letter. dont worry, with the reactionary environment here, i wont be back and to the bud dude, i did not come here to learn about knives. but how would you know that, too busy chasing your dinner in the walls.that was not a compliment. and the guy with the "black list" tthat was a mastercard moment PRICELESS


see ya
 
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jeepdud3 said:
well now that everything and everyone has settled down, and everyone has a chance to put their 2 cents in i will make my last entry on this thread. to begin KYA and i began by PM's, i already posted the opening pm's and a couple of his responses thereafter, in my last pm before i began this thread i told him that the transaction needed to be made right and that if his response continued to be either plaza cutlery or hinderer's problem i would make the situation known " he would become famous, or better said infamous" and that i would contact all person necessary, at that point he did not respond, he just waited, after maybe 1/2 hour i started the thread, as i thought he was waiting, just to see if i would follow through with my threat, i dont make threats, i am a business man. as the thread began i still tried pm's, and in my pm's i made mention that i had made contact with mr. hinderer, and that since everything was based on opinion, i would send him the blade for professional intercession, his stance on money was no! but to the viewing audience he spoke of offers to pay, and continued, endlessly, once i saw that their were so many uninformed opinions, i just backed away for a while i even spoke of having to leave, a few sound minds actually read the rules, well so do i, section 2 the entire section is about this thread, and even more important, section 6, the first sentence "if there are conflicting rules the more stringent shall apply" yet JKA thinks he can set his own separate rules, tailor made to fit his needs, than some dork wants to ask the members to change the rules to allow this? funny pay pal has similar rules, and no, the forum can not ask rick to take the blade and do your bidding, that would fall under the illegal category! why dont people think? anyway on page 3 someone suggest that it was over and we lock the thread, i seconded that, at that time JKA and i were trying to come to terms through pm's, as we spoke he continued to misrepresent his (our) conversation, i told him he needed to stop that he was only hurting the process, yet he did not, it is hard to talk transaction when the person is posting right in front of you and betraying any words he said in pm's. as we spoke i began to receive "criticism" which only made me laugh because the critics were attempting to assist a person who playing them, he had the violin and they were on the string, especially the guy who started with the word 'BUD" he's so awesome, i think his name is cliche? anyway he is advising me to read the rules when he is not aware himself, nor does he know what is actually going on, he made me smile:) all of the suggestions that were made were made a day late, pay pal already had the link as do other people, you see the only thing i asked for was equity, from the beginning all i received was deceit, and KYA gotta give you credit, you are pretty good. you got em where you want em yeah buddy. so in short, if i am indeed at fault with my behavior or with the way you perceive my proactive actions, than by all means boot me, that will not change the fact that rules have been violated both here, on pay pal, and in general how we conduct our lives. as i said, i told KYA that all further conversation between the 2 of us would be off forum, there has been to much dust stirred here, plus i want to be able to document every word, i told him that early on, when you guys were still on page 3, he agreed but will not comply, so from this point out, any comments he makes are against our agreement. by the way he has not sent 1 letter. dont worry, with the reactionary environment here, i wont be back and to the bud dude, i did not come here to learn about knives. but how would you know that, too busy chasing your dinner in the walls.that was not a compliment.

see ya
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Let's quote this BS before you edit it further...

...that said, add me to the ever growing list of people who would never consider doing business with you based on how you've handled this situation and conducted yourself here.
 
wow. how things have turned. i guess i should have known the whole story before siding. however, both sides did have a couple holes, but i guess we all know who's in the right now. best of luck to you both here on BF
 
So, did you cancel the dispute and release his funds yet or is he under a gag order until you feel he's been duly punished for making you wait a whole 30 minutes?
 
jeepdud3 said:
well now that everything and everyone has settled down, and everyone has a chance to put their 2 cents in i will make my last entry on this thread. to begin KYA and i began by PM's, i already posted the opening pm's and a couple of his responses thereafter, in my last pm before i began this thread i told him that the transaction needed to be made right and that if his response continued to be either plaza cutlery or hinderer's problem i would make the situation known " he would become famous, or better said infamous" and that i would contact all person necessary, at that point he did not respond, he just waited, after maybe 1/2 hour i started the thread, as i thought he was waiting, just to see if i would follow through with my threat, i dont make threats, i am a business man. as the thread began i still tried pm's, and in my pm's i made mention that i had made contact with mr. hinderer, and that since everything was based on opinion, i would send him the blade for professional intercession, his stance on money was no! but to the viewing audience he spoke of offers to pay, and continued, endlessly, once i saw that their were so many uninformed opinions, i just backed away for a while i even spoke of having to leave, a few sound minds actually read the rules, well so do i, section 2 the entire section is about this thread, and even more important, section 6, the first sentence "if there are conflicting rules the more stringent shall apply" yet JKA thinks he can set his own separate rules, tailor made to fit his needs, than some dork wants to ask the members to change the rules to allow this? funny pay pal has similar rules, and no, the forum can not ask rick to take the blade and do your bidding, that would fall under the illegal category! why dont people think? anyway on page 3 someone suggest that it was over and we lock the thread, i seconded that, at that time JKA and i were trying to come to terms through pm's, as we spoke he continued to misrepresent his (our) conversation, i told him he needed to stop that he was only hurting the process, yet he did not, it is hard to talk transaction when the person is posting right in front of you and betraying any words he said in pm's. as we spoke i began to receive "criticism" which only made me laugh because the critics were attempting to assist a person who playing them, he had the violin and they were on the string, especially the guy who started with the word 'BUD" he's so awesome, i think his name is cliche? anyway he is advising me to read the rules when he is not aware himself, nor does he know what is actually going on, he made me smile:) all of the suggestions that were made were made a day late, pay pal already had the link as do other people, you see the only thing i asked for was equity, from the beginning all i received was deceit, and KYA gotta give you credit, you are pretty good. you got em where you want em yeah buddy. so in short, if i am indeed at fault with my behavior or with the way you perceive my proactive actions, than by all means boot me, that will not change the fact that rules have been violated both here, on pay pal, and in general how we conduct our lives. as i said, i told KYA that all further conversation between the 2 of us would be off forum, there has been to much dust stirred here, plus i want to be able to document every word, i told him that early on, when you guys were still on page 3, he agreed but will not comply, so from this point out, any comments he makes are against our agreement. by the way he has not sent 1 letter. dont worry, with the reactionary environment here, i wont be back and to the bud dude, i did not come here to learn about knives. but how would you know that, too busy chasing your dinner in the walls.that was not a compliment. and the guy with the "black list" tthat was a mastercard moment PRICELESS


see ya
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Time to release the funds.

Then you should consider getting some lessons on paragraphs, correct use of upper and lower case, full stops and general sentence structure. Your rant was a PIA to read.
 
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